I have started receiving CASP7 WUs that have passed their CASP expiry and wondered if that means that all targets due for CASP have been sent and I can start allowing some time to my poor neglected projects?

BTW - I realize that the science is still valid and these WUs will be completed, just would like to start re-balancing my debt numbers.

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I have started receiving CASP7 WUs that have passed their CASP expiry and wondered if that means that all targets due for CASP have been sent and I can start allowing some time to my poor neglected projects?

BTW - I realize that the science is still valid and these WUs will be completed, just would like to start re-balancing my debt numbers.

Hi keyboards

CASP 7 ends on monday so please hold on over the week end.

Anders n

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I have started receiving CASP7 WUs that have passed their CASP expiry and wondered if that means that all targets due for CASP have been sent and I can start allowing some time to my poor neglected projects?

BTW - I realize that the science is still valid and these WUs will be completed, just would like to start re-balancing my debt numbers.

Hi keyboards

CASP 7 ends on monday so please hold on over the week end.

Anders n

Anders -

I realize it isn't over till its over (Monday), but based on the IDs on the WUs, their CASP expiry has passed (based on the deadlines shown here ). If their CASP expiry has passed, then isn't their submission time also passed or has there been some re-issuing of older targets?

Thanks

Don L.

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Anders -

I realize it isn't over till its over (Monday), but based on the IDs on the WUs, their CASP expiry has passed (based on the deadlines shown here ). If their CASP expiry has passed, then isn't their submission time also passed or has there been some re-issuing of older targets?

Thanks

Don L.

When I look at your computers most of the Wu-s are for targets due 5-6/8.

If I saw an older Wu on 1 of my computers I would pause it untill next week :)

My 2 cents

Anders n

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I think that the date completed is more important than the WU's attatched deadline. All WU's are being generated with arbitrary one-week deadlines. However, regardless of the attatched deadline, If it's completed and returned before Monday's deadline, it will still be evaluated for CASP submission.

The Done Dates are important, not the Due Dates.

However, If you could, I'm sure that Dr. Baker would appreciate it if you could clear out your cues instead of abandoning them as they will still be valuable for method improvements.

I would just stop accepting new work an drain them. I don't know how deep your cues are. But you can probably guess the best time to stop accepting new work to free up machines for your other projects.

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I think that the date completed is more important than the WU's attatched deadline. All WU's are being generated with arbitrary one-week deadlines. However, regardless of the attatched deadline, If it's completed and returned before Monday's deadline, it will still be evaluated for CASP submission.

The Done Dates are important, not the Due Dates.

However, If you could, I'm sure that Dr. Baker would appreciate it if you could clear out your cues instead of abandoning them as they will still be valuable for method improvements.

I would just stop accepting new work an drain them. I don't know how deep your cues are. But you can probably guess the best time to stop accepting new work to free up machines for your other projects.

Please don't misunderstand - if you look at my original post in this thread I have no intentions of abandoning any WUs. Just looking to give other projects their fair share since I suspended all projects (being mindful of their due dates) several weeks ago to help Rosetta during CASP. Also, I realize that project and CASP deadlines are different, and I was referring to the CASP expiry dates (based on the link in my earlier post to the CASP target page).

On to the finish!

If I saw an older Wu on 1 of my computers I would pause it untill next week :)

Anders - I have already done that with one WU a T365, just I won't be able to monitor all systems over the weekend.

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Anders - I have already done that with one WU a T365, just I won't be able to monitor all systems over the weekend.

Happy crunching :)

Anders n

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Please don't misunderstand - if you look at my original post in this thread I have no intentions of abandoning any WUs. Just looking to give other projects their fair share since I suspended all projects (being mindful of their due dates) several weeks ago to help Rosetta during CASP. Also, I realize that project and CASP deadlines are different, and I was referring to the CASP expiry dates (based on the link in my earlier post to the CASP target page).
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I'd just let them run their course as well. From what I understand, Rosetta will continue to experiment with the Casp7 models even after Casp7 is complete.

Incidentally, after CASP7 is done, the SAP climate project (http://attribution.cpdn.org) is looking for a temporary boost to get the last 700 of their models finished, and they'd love it if people were to process a model or two each (each model takes roughly 12-18 CPU days to complete). I don't know what they intend to do after that, if they're shutting down or just going into hibernation...?

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Please don't misunderstand - if you look at my original post in this thread I have no intentions of abandoning any WUs. Just looking to give other projects their fair share since I suspended all projects (being mindful of their due dates) several weeks ago to help Rosetta during CASP. Also, I realize that project and CASP deadlines are different, and I was referring to the CASP expiry dates (based on the link in my earlier post to the CASP target page).
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I'd just let them run their course as well. From what I understand, Rosetta will continue to experiment with the Casp7 models even after Casp7 is complete.

Incidentally, after CASP7 is done, the SAP climate project (http://attribution.cpdn.org) is looking for a temporary boost to get the last 700 of their models finished, and they'd love it if people were to process a model or two each (each model takes roughly 12-18 CPU days to complete). I don't know what they intend to do after that, if they're shutting down or just going into hibernation...?

I have said I would let them run their course with BOINC managing the debt that other projects have accumulated - I was just looking to return my suspended projects to activity to give them their fair share. For instance, SETI-Beta has just released a new application for testing before releasing in the wild - 2 of my Beta crunchers haven't touched a WU in over 3 weeks and I think that project is now due its share.

The original question was whether or not the last of the WUs for CASP7 had been sent, in which case I would have allowed other projects to run. Since that is not the case, I am still on Rosetta 100% till Monday, then no new tasks for a while and let other projects catch up.

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Setting the cache size very small (at least for a while) sure helps to receive always those workunits, that are currently needed and helps keep the CASP7 deadlines

Setting the cache size very small (at least for a while) sure helps to receive always those workunits, that are currently needed and helps keep the CASP7 deadlines

And what's with the "Target CPU run time"? Should it also be set as low as possible (1 hour)? It's a generell question concerning crunching Rosetta during a CASP-Challenge: Does it help more running a lot of WU's with lowest CPU run time or is it better to crunch a single WU as long as possible (24 hours - a stable system assumed)?

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I have reduced mine to 6 hours, I don't think that reducing it more will make such a big difference. If the project really does this kind of micro management on 1 hour base, the project people will not get much sleep ;-)

Setting the cache size very small (at least for a while) sure helps to receive always those workunits, that are currently needed and helps keep the CASP7 deadlines

Annas - My cahce is only 3 or 4 WUs deep at 8 hour crunch times. The questionable WUs (based on CASP expiry) were downloaded AFTER the official expiry, hence my question regarding the WUs being sent. All others are still before expiry and will be completed before the required time.

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Maybe re-deliveries of crashed ones then. I "live" on t386 WUs only at the moment, it did not give me anything else since yesterday morning CET (cache size = 0.15 days, preferred duration = 6 hours).

Maybe re-deliveries of crashed ones then. I "live" on t386 WUs only at the moment, it did not give me anything else since yesterday morning CET (cache size = 0.15 days, preferred duration = 6 hours).

The sampling on t386 should be big :)

Anders n

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The time of the t386 WUs seems to be over - since 09:50 MESZ I only fetch WUs with the serial t314__CASP7_FOLLOWUP_ABRELAX_SAVE_ALL_OUT_BARCODE_perfectss__1066_nnnnn. I'm innocent in the nomenclature of the Rosetta WUs and wonder whether "FOLLOWUP" means that CASP7 is finished for Rosetta or has the meaning of a resubmission of older CASP7-WUs. The deadline of the t314 WUs has been 13. July.
I think that when I return from work tomorrow morning CASP7 will be definitely over and then will finish my private CASP7-Taskforce for Rosetta and switch to regular crunching operation. Until then my machines run with lowest WU cache and low target CPU run time.

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Love, Michi

These new "Follow up" workunits seem to be an evaluation of how CASP went. For t314 the native structure has been released, that is the structure determined to be correct. You can see this in the visualisation of the workunit.

Because the native structure is now known the client calculates both the energy of the found low energy structure and deviation compared to the native structure. The deviation is calculated as RMSD, lower is better.

thanks, this answered a question i just wanted to ask :)

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What time today is the final deadline? I've got some wus that I've got to go and manually upload. Thanks.

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Can't guarantee accuracy, but in post "When are CASP 7 WU's finished?", Soriak suggests 12:00 noon PST (GMT - 7).

What time today is the final deadline? I've got some wus that I've got to go and manually upload. Thanks.