Message boards : Number crunching : One last request for backdating of credits.
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Saenger Send message Joined: 19 Sep 05 Posts: 271 Credit: 824,883 RAC: 0 |
Because a lot of people threat to go away from this project with it's inflated credits on the boards of the bigger teams (Big in a BOINC sense, not only here or @Ralph). Fuzzys opinion is quite widespread. I havn't given up on this project yet, and a lot of my teammates probably sit and watch. And John has some special interest as a volunteer developer of another science application (and afaik BOINC as well). |
Vester Send message Joined: 2 Nov 05 Posts: 258 Credit: 3,651,260 RAC: 194 |
There are currently two hot topics on this subject by John McWhatever. He never saw Posting and You: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php |
Astro Send message Joined: 2 Oct 05 Posts: 987 Credit: 500,253 RAC: 0 |
carl h, find some friends, have them each take the next 250 UserID slots higher than what I've chosen (I.E you do 10251-10,500, the next take the next 250, and the next, for each of the 5 groups) spend 3 days collecting the data, and we'll see what shows up. I'll even volunteer to collate the data after collection is finished. I'm for it. I'll send you the my file so we can all be on the same "sheet of music" as it were. I've collected the first [edit]1.1% of the user data. Yes, my data represents [edit} 1.1% of the rosetta userbase (as counted by UserID slots, assuming 110,000 UserID slots exist). |
Saenger Send message Joined: 19 Sep 05 Posts: 271 Credit: 824,883 RAC: 0 |
There are currently two hot topics on this subject by John McWhatever. He never saw Posting and You: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php He's seen it several times over @Seti, when it was pointed at some others, never at him;) |
Ethan Volunteer moderator Send message Joined: 22 Aug 05 Posts: 286 Credit: 9,304,700 RAC: 0 |
Morning all, Two issues here, backdating and x-project equality. There is a thread on the latter, and the threads on the former are locked and/or finished. If you still have opinions about the backdating decision, please use the moderator/project email sticky'd in number crunching. . . continuing it in the message boards will continue the jabs back and forth. |
Jose Send message Joined: 28 Mar 06 Posts: 820 Credit: 48,297 RAC: 0 |
There are two different issues: NO BACK DATING. David Baker gave hiks word : NO BACK DATING!!!!! Enough is Enough!!!!!! |
Jose Send message Joined: 28 Mar 06 Posts: 820 Credit: 48,297 RAC: 0 |
There are two different issues: Then go and stay in Einstein. Enough of this !!!!! |
Jose Send message Joined: 28 Mar 06 Posts: 820 Credit: 48,297 RAC: 0 |
I suppose it was the hope of D. Anderson. But ... this is theory, a good idea but theory. Anderson can hope all he wants Baker said it and gave his word : No Backdating |
UBT - Halifax--lad Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 157 Credit: 2,687 RAC: 0 |
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Ethan Volunteer moderator Send message Joined: 22 Aug 05 Posts: 286 Credit: 9,304,700 RAC: 0 |
From Jose with the tinder removed: I think the time to say this outloud has come: |
Jose Send message Joined: 28 Mar 06 Posts: 820 Credit: 48,297 RAC: 0 |
Time to grow up now people Time to get these people who continue beat the dead horse of backdating to Stop. |
Saenger Send message Joined: 19 Sep 05 Posts: 271 Credit: 824,883 RAC: 0 |
Why is it allowed for Jose to shout and scream and denigrate, and others are modded for far less offensive posts? |
MattDavis Send message Joined: 22 Sep 05 Posts: 206 Credit: 1,377,748 RAC: 0 |
Why is it allowed for Jose to shout and scream and denigrate, and others are modded for far less offensive posts? I have seen this as well. Jose's 10 recent yelling posts are here but individual posts by other people are deleted. |
UBT - Halifax--lad Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 157 Credit: 2,687 RAC: 0 |
Time to grow up now people Have to agree, the dev's have made it clear that there will be no backdating at all so posting messages now asking for it to still go ahead is really not worth it, and is just making the situation get worse again Join us in Chat (see the forum) Click the Sig Join UBT |
Ethan Volunteer moderator Send message Joined: 22 Aug 05 Posts: 286 Credit: 9,304,700 RAC: 0 |
Trust me, Jose wins the moderated list. I'm locking this thread. It's going downhill fast, and the topic has been answered by the project. As I mentioned on the other backdating thread, feel free to send comments to the project directly via email. |
Jose Send message Joined: 28 Mar 06 Posts: 820 Credit: 48,297 RAC: 0 |
Trust me, Jose wins the moderated list. Can I get work credit for all the times you have moderated me? :Lame attempt at humor: |
melymel2789 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 26 Credit: 41,743 RAC: 0 |
Jose, calm down, stop shouting. Becuase this argument has been repeated several times and David Baker has specifically said there will be NO back dating. Imagine that you were DDTUNG for instance, you have spent £50K on your computers, have relentlessly gone around re-benchmarking every machine every 5 days to ensure maximum points and you have kept this up for months, and then someone comes along and cuts your hard earned total to points based off of a guestimate score. You would feel very upset and annoyed. This is one of the reasons people are feeling negative towrds rosetta at the moment. DB has said what will happen and so any thread like this effectively should be just stopped by a single message form a staff member saying DB has said what will happen end of discussion. Fortunately this hasn't led to another flamewar yet but it's only a matter of time. There are projects outside of BOINC... |
riptide Send message Joined: 24 Mar 06 Posts: 27 Credit: 103,422 RAC: 0 |
THIS IS NOT A FLAME, ok! Backdating would have been an injustice. Why? When people joined months ago they joined under a certain modus operandi. ie: "it's OK to use opp. apps." This was not outlawed by Rosetta and was not cheating. If you change the rules RETROSEPCTIVELY then you are cheating those users which joined under those conditions earlier. Its like changing the terms of a contract that has already been signed. Its about equity when you examine it. I love Mr. Smith. He keeps us safe from Alien Scum. He's probably good a Rosetta too. |
Saenger Send message Joined: 19 Sep 05 Posts: 271 Credit: 824,883 RAC: 0 |
THIS IS NOT A FLAME, ok! This is no flame as well, ok? Backdating says at first nothing about the direction of the backdating, it can also be done to adjust the credits of those with stock clients to the "optimized" clients. It's mainly to something to "level the playing field", and to have comparable numbers in the stats. I think it's common knowledge that the current system did not reflect the work done correctly, as the same amount of work has got very different amounts of credits granted. |
melymel2789 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 26 Credit: 41,743 RAC: 0 |
Considering poeple are ignoring Ethan's lock I am going to aswell :p One trouble I see with backdating is the fact that you will never be right the credit alterations would be based from a guestimate and to alter everyone's credit either way the person doing it would need to get information on every computer setup with every overclock to get it accurate. There would be too much hastle involved to end up with a highly inacurate points table. I think you will just have to live with the stats as they are and compete for now on getting the highest "fair credit system" RAC. In the grand schemee of things Rosetta is in it's infancy and to think we have got our total in about half a year it shouldn't take long for that to become a small dent in the totals. So in time it will all level out. There are projects outside of BOINC... |
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