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Message 112991 - Posted: 8 Aug 2025, 23:27:12 UTC - in response to Message 112988.  
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Doing the most simple price-based enquiry a 16Gb card is 2.5-4x the 1660 price I'm looking at or 2-3x the 3050 - so neither is going to happen
As the year goes by, the current generation of 8GB cards should remain around their present prices, and start dropping towards the end of the year, start of next. Pretty much every review slams them as being a waste of money for gaming, and less than 32GB of VRAM is of no interest for AI/ML work, so they're not interested either.

Later this year (or very early next) NVidia are expected to release "Super" versions of their current models- basically the present model with more VRAM. Depending on availability, that should put downward pressure on the current models, and even more downward pressure on the 8GB models.
The RTX 5060 (145W) or RTX 5060Ti 8GB (180W) version would be the sort of thing you'd be looking at (or AMD RX 9060 (132W) RX 9060XT 8GB (150W)). Don't consider any of the previous generations 60 series unless they come with a huge discount, or it's a higher end model with a good discount on the equivalent current model (the RTX 3050 8GB you mentioned? RTX 5060 Ti 8GB has 3 times it's performance). Don't bother with anything less than the RTX 5060 (same with AMD) performance wise unless it's mind bogglingly cheap (in which case there's a good chance it's a scam. Of course, what you can afford v what is good value don't always come even remotely close).
Nvidia are ending new driver support for the 1000 series cards later this year, support for the 2000 series cards is expected to end later next year.

Of course, depending on what Russia, Israel, China & Trump do, anything could happen. Economies could collapse and prices collapse. Or economies could boom even higher, then collapse, but prices go through the roof (even higher and faster than now).
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Message 112992 - Posted: 9 Aug 2025, 22:40:48 UTC - in response to Message 112990.  

You can crunch Amicable Numbers using a 1080, 1650, 1660, or 3050
https://sech.me/boinc/Amicable/gpu_list.php

Noted, thanks, but it's not a project suited for me


I completely understand. It is deeply disappointing when projects that I have loyally supported for years decide to no longer support my hardware. And it's almost as disappointing to find projects that I want to support, but won't support my hardware. But the number of projects that support my hardware (AMD GPUs connected to Intel-based Macs) has been steadily shrinking. AFAIK, Amicable Numbers is the last one.

And, I understand that the developers of BOINC projects are under no obligation to support legacy hardware, particularly niche legacy hardware like mine. Still, it hurts to be marginalized.

Looking at your numbers, you're running your projects enough for both of us
Probably enough for 100 of us!
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Message 112993 - Posted: 9 Aug 2025, 23:07:59 UTC - in response to Message 112991.  

Doing the most simple price-based enquiry a 16Gb card is 2.5-4x the 1660 price I'm looking at or 2-3x the 3050 - so neither is going to happen
As the year goes by, the current generation of 8GB cards should remain around their present prices, and start dropping towards the end of the year, start of next. Pretty much every review slams them as being a waste of money for gaming, and less than 32GB of VRAM is of no interest for AI/ML work, so they're not interested either.

Later this year (or very early next) NVidia are expected to release "Super" versions of their current models- basically the present model with more VRAM. Depending on availability, that should put downward pressure on the current models, and even more downward pressure on the 8GB models.

I'm not now, nor have I ever been a gamer, so if I can stream youtube or BBC iPlayer I'm satisfied.
If that allows me to contribute to a Boinc project, that's a bonus, but up to now that's only been those dreadful WCG Covid tasks, which amounted to nothing of any value.

When I've seen updated NVidia drivers they mainly support new hardware or new games, so I'm not going to worry about the ending of support.
Instead, as you suggest, I'll pick up a new card when my current one collapses (as I did for my upgrade from GTX750 to GTX1650) and take advantage of price drops on old hardware.

So, while my R7 260X is currently running like a bag of sh!t, I think I'll grab the 2nd hand 1660 I've seen, put it in place of the 1650 in my preferred PC and, all being well with it, use the 1650 to replace the Radeon card, knowing that it's stable and draws less power on my problem machine too see if that improves things in two ways - stable graphics and lower power draw. All for a budget price.

And yes, that does make me a cheapskate. I'll pay out for mboards, CPUs, coolers, power-supplies even cases, but I draw the line at sound and graphics. If I can get away with onboard versions of both, I will.
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Message 112994 - Posted: 9 Aug 2025, 23:46:28 UTC - in response to Message 112992.  

You can crunch Amicable Numbers using a 1080, 1650, 1660, or 3050
https://sech.me/boinc/Amicable/gpu_list.php

Noted, thanks, but it's not a project suited for me


I completely understand. It is deeply disappointing when projects that I have loyally supported for years decide to no longer support my hardware. And it's almost as disappointing to find projects that I want to support, but won't support my hardware. But the number of projects that support my hardware (AMD GPUs connected to Intel-based Macs) has been steadily shrinking. AFAIK, Amicable Numbers is the last one.

And, I understand that the developers of BOINC projects are under no obligation to support legacy hardware, particularly niche legacy hardware like mine. Still, it hurts to be marginalized.

Looking at your numbers, you're running your projects enough for both of us
Probably enough for 100 of us!


On Intel based Mac with AMD

I think that Einstein has some Applications that might fit
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Message 112995 - Posted: 10 Aug 2025, 0:03:11 UTC - in response to Message 112993.  
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And yes, that does make me a cheapskate. I'll pay out for mboards, CPUs, coolers, power-supplies even cases, but I draw the line at sound and graphics. If I can get away with onboard versions of both, I will.
For me, price is always a factor.
However, i'm prepared to save up for a few more months to pay more for something that provide better value.

A good example of how much things suck at present- here in Australia the RX 5090 is going for around $4,700, A RTX 4080, which has around 75% of the performance of the RTX 5090, goes for around $2,100.
If you don't game 2* RTX 4080 gives 1.5 times the performance for less than half the price.

Or i get lucky with the Lotto and buy one of the higher end cards when the new models come out.



I'll probably be moving my systems to Win11 eventually, so i'd want something that is (and will be) supported for some time to come.
And the price of 2nd hand 20 & 30 series card is pretty ridiculous at the moment, and the 40 series aren't much better.
So for me- save up some extra money, wait a while longer and buy a lower end current series card at a better price when the upgraded models come out.
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Message 112996 - Posted: 10 Aug 2025, 8:28:22 UTC - in response to Message 112995.  
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Grant,
Would you consider an AMD card (e.g. 9070XT)? Any disadvantage for crunching?
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Message 112997 - Posted: 10 Aug 2025, 8:28:26 UTC - in response to Message 112995.  
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Message 112998 - Posted: 10 Aug 2025, 11:19:58 UTC - in response to Message 112996.  
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Grant,
Would you consider an AMD card (e.g. 9070XT)? Any disadvantage for crunching?
Cheers,
Mark
It depends on the project.
If they only have CUDA applications- then it's Nvidia only.
But if they have an OpenCL application, then they'd almost certainly have one for AMD cards.


It is very much a mid-range card. For Windows systems it's compute performance is OK- roughly on par with the RTX 5070/ RTX 5070Ti
However, with LINUX, in many cases it was way, way, way down. Hopefully over the last few months they've had some work done on the compute drivers, but as of June the compute performance was still very disappointing and i haven't seen any more recent reviews of compute performance. For gaming, things have certainly improved a lot, but for compute- it doesn't appear to be the case (at this time).
The hardware is capable, but the drivers are seriously lacking.
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Message 112999 - Posted: 10 Aug 2025, 18:19:21 UTC - in response to Message 112998.  

It depends on the project.
If they only have CUDA applications- then it's Nvidia only.
But if they have an OpenCL application, then they'd almost certainly have one for AMD cards.


It is very much a mid-range card. For Windows systems it's compute performance is OK- roughly on par with the RTX 5070/ RTX 5070Ti
However, with LINUX, in many cases it was way, way, way down. Hopefully over the last few months they've had some work done on the compute drivers, but as of June the compute performance was still very disappointing and i haven't seen any more recent reviews of compute performance. For gaming, things have certainly improved a lot, but for compute- it doesn't appear to be the case (at this time).
The hardware is capable, but the drivers are seriously lacking.
Thanks Grant. Really helpful.
Cheers,
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